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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 9:55:22 GMT -5
Post by Steven (TOR) on Dec 15, 2011 9:55:22 GMT -5
TOR trades
Mikka Kiprusoff
NSH TRADES
Clark Macarthur
Reasoning: I already had 2 other starting goalie and kipper was my 2cnd best, I needed some offense so trading an older starting goalie for a younger player who can put up 50 points on average
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 9:57:17 GMT -5
Post by Steven (TOR) on Dec 15, 2011 9:57:17 GMT -5
yahoo says nothing can be posted on yahoo right now messages are down
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 10:16:20 GMT -5
Post by Mike (NSH) on Dec 15, 2011 10:16:20 GMT -5
Accept.
As some of you know, I was looking for another option at G to go with Reimer until Lindback becomes a starter in the league. Kipper adds this element and to get him I gave up the 26 yr old MacArthur who should be a 50-60 pt winger going forward.
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 13:03:09 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2011 13:03:09 GMT -5
Can't say I love giving Kip for a winger coming back down to where he should be.
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 14:49:47 GMT -5
Post by Steve (Mtl) on Dec 15, 2011 14:49:47 GMT -5
Yeah, not a huge fan of this deal... If we were talking a proven 50-60 point guy, then ya sure, but MacArthur is a one time deal, and for his career is more of a 30 point guy... and even that is generous, other than the fluke 62 points from last year, he's scored over 30 exactly once... On pace for what, 40-45 this year? For a proven number 1 goalie who is always among the league leaders in saves?
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 15:22:34 GMT -5
Post by Mike (NSH) on Dec 15, 2011 15:22:34 GMT -5
LAK, I put MacArthur in the same boat as Stafford... worth a top 15 D man and a 1st rounder.
Toronto had an abundance of G and wanted to add a W. What is the shelf life left on Kipper? We won't be able to properly look at the deal until this is answered. This deal is a great fit for me as I need another G for the rest of this year and hopefully next year as well.
Someone please tell me what a starting 35 yr old G is worth? I'll listen to all offers.
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 16:37:22 GMT -5
Post by Steve (Mtl) on Dec 15, 2011 16:37:22 GMT -5
hahah I don't know what else to do but laugh... You really have Stafford and Macarthur as equal value? Without wanting to seem rude, that's just silly man... I won't even post the stats that prove you wrong. I won't get into any argument with you... But that's silly...
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 17:14:07 GMT -5
Post by Mike (NSH) on Dec 15, 2011 17:14:07 GMT -5
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 19:26:59 GMT -5
Post by Steve (Mtl) on Dec 15, 2011 19:26:59 GMT -5
Oh man, shit, you're so right and I'm so wrong NSH... Oh man, I don't even know how to say how dumb I feel... Shit, I mean you actually found something on the internet that proves me wrong, that isn't easy..................................................................................................
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 19:53:24 GMT -5
Post by pillow on Dec 15, 2011 19:53:24 GMT -5
^ I thought you became a father just recently? ....
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 21:02:28 GMT -5
Post by Steve (Mtl) on Dec 15, 2011 21:02:28 GMT -5
That's off-limits BUF... disagree with me if you want, but that comment shows a real lack of class.
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 21:54:13 GMT -5
Post by pillow on Dec 15, 2011 21:54:13 GMT -5
It's not a matter of class, it's a matter of maturity. Read what you posted bro...
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 22:38:53 GMT -5
Post by Steve (Mtl) on Dec 15, 2011 22:38:53 GMT -5
Yeah, have reread it a few times now, BRO... Very sarcastic for sure, but no personal insults and no mention of people's families, BRO... And in no way involving you, BRO... so what part of this conversation told you you had the right to come into and comment on my family? Bro? It in fact is a matter of class, as well as one of maturity as you stated. You're showing very little of either...
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 22:58:18 GMT -5
Post by pillow on Dec 15, 2011 22:58:18 GMT -5
If you read what I wrote, bro...it has nothing to do with family. Frankly, I'm just saying it'll be more constructive if you act maturely, which theoretically should come with fatherhood and age. You rag on NYI for posting non-constructive comments, yet you do so yourself...ironic?
I decided to speak up on NSH's behalf because I'm standing up for a fellow board member, that's where it "involves me".
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TOR-NSH
Dec 15, 2011 23:07:33 GMT -5
Post by Steve (Mtl) on Dec 15, 2011 23:07:33 GMT -5
really? when you wrote, and I quote, 'I thought you became a father just recently?' that had nothing to do with my family? Ok, take your word on it I guess... I disagreed with NYI bashing pretty much every trade, not the fact that he disagreed with any specific trade... I think if you look back at my posts, I've generally been pretty supportive of other gm's and their moves... This one I didn't like, and said so, which led to a sarcastic yet lighthearted debate with NSH... But you think you're standing up for him? He won the trade dammit!! Where's the need to defend him? You're young, I get that, maybe you think you've acquired some sense of maturity or sense... You'll get there big guy, no need to try to rush it...
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