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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:06:44 GMT -5
there is something to be said for perhaps looking at changing the length of the clock in the future but this clock was known for quite some time now in postings and in PMs and everyone knew what the rules were going to be enforcing the rules isn't being drastic it is enforcing the rules and actually if you look back through the draft threads you will find that there were a few instances of GMs drafting during the clock freeze remember not everyone is on the same time so what is late in one place might not be the same somewhere else Sure people may draft during the clock freeze and obviously thats fine, it speeds along the process, but Shake is right we should loose people over a draft setup. I know im fairly new to this league and i do enjoy it so i dont want to start an argument but i dont see a point in running the clock from 12-8am in july when there is absolutely no need for a rush. The bottom line here is that Montreal is leaving because he rightfully wasnt available to draft between 11:45pm and 3:45am on a monday night/tuesday morning. Its unfortunate. no one wants to lose someone over the draft setup but it is unfair to those who follow the rules to not enforce them for every GM also the clock doesn't run from 12-8am what happens is that if your 4 hours on the clock takes you past midnight you must make your pick within 4 hours the freeze cannot give you the equivalent of 12 hours to make your draft pick if MTL knew there was a possibility that he wouldn't be available to make his pick he should have left a list with someone to make the pick for him like countless other GMs have been doing
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Post by Ian (Pit) on Jul 9, 2013 12:14:30 GMT -5
the first clock freeze occurred after DET drafted in the 32nd spot this occurred after NYRs first bump. DET PMed me and asked if he was eligible to pick at 11:59 and i told him he was but it would be better if he made the pick post midnight to freeze the clock rather than put someone on at 1 min prior to midnight and he did so. OTT, MTL, NSH and DET all made picks while the clock was frozen. the second clock freeze occurred after EDM drafted in the 57th spot. i planned on being up past midnight so i waited to see if MTL showed up before midnight or not and when he didn't i held the pick until after midnight to freeze the clock. MTL made his 2 picks before the clock was unfrozen but one of them needed to be remade and was after the clock was restarted. This to me is decent and reflects that we can be fluid about a situation IF we work TOGETHER.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:18:27 GMT -5
I dont want to take any hard work away from anyone, i know these last 2 months especially, EDM has been working very hard to keep this draft in order and your continuing to do so. But why should one minute even matter, why run the clock if the pick was made even 5 minutes before midnight. Why jeopardize someones next pick in the middle of the night whether its a 2nd or 5th or 10th. i understand that the rule was there to be known for a while but why not run the clock until 12 and pick it up in the morning at 8am. that way people can carry on with there regular lives and have fantasy hockey for what its supposed to be, a fun hobby. Not a reason to be up all night.
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Post by David (NJD) on Jul 9, 2013 12:24:54 GMT -5
Yeah agree shakedown. We are trying to prevent gms from leaving. This isnt blame on the owner of mtl. He wasnt kicked from the league he deleted his own account bc i made my pick at 11:45pm putting him in the clock. He was bumped at 3:45am bc he was in his 4 he window. He got upset and quit. He wasnt kicked bc he missed a pick or anything like that. We aren't blaming him just how the rules are set up. If for whatever reason i made my pick at 10:45 and it gave him more time and he missed it would be still have left? We dont know.
Hope that makes sense sorry at work typing fast lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:28:35 GMT -5
Sure he could have left you a list, but he should not have to worry about drafting in the middle of the night its fantasy hockey not the NHL, there is no need for a clock to run from 12-8. and i agree with shake 100% ive been here for a short time and while i think this is a great league that has alot of great members, there has been easily 4 new GMs in the short time that ive been here. The Turnover needs to stop.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:33:51 GMT -5
this isn't about who is working hard and who isn't it is about applying the same set of rules to everyone
you say not to run the clock if the pick was made 5 min before midnight but where do you draw this line of fairness i mean his pick was at 15 minutes before the deadline not 5, what if someone thinks that it should be 1/2 hour or maybe an hour
you set up an exact number so that everyone knows what they are dealing with if you are going to change it from night to night you aren't treating everyone in the same way
BUF lives in Hong Kong his time is a mirror image of EDT so what is 8 in the morning to 12 midnight for those in the eastern time zone for him that is 8 at night to 12 noon, an even larger portion of the live clock occurs during his sleeping hours than anyone elses and he is required to follow the same as the rest of us and he doesn't complain about it
in fact cutting time from the back end would be pretty harmful to BUF given his time differential and changing the rules partway through works against him the most out of everyone
he already has the most difficult time of it out of all of us i don't see how following the established rules and thus ensuring he gets the most time for his drafting as well is harmful to the rest of us
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:35:31 GMT -5
the clock does not run from 12-8 i am not sure why you keep posting that it does but it doesn't
the clock freezes after the first pick made after midnight
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Post by Ian (Pit) on Jul 9, 2013 12:37:17 GMT -5
I dont want to take any hard work away from anyone, i know these last 2 months especially, EDM has been working very hard to keep this draft in order and your continuing to do so. But why should one minute even matter, why run the clock if the pick was made even 5 minutes before midnight. Why jeopardize someones next pick in the middle of the night whether its a 2nd or 5th or 10th. i understand that the rule was there to be known for a while but why run not run the clock until 12 and pick it up in the morning at 8am. that way people can carry on with there regular lives and have fantasy hockey for what its supposed to be, a fun hobby. Not a reason to be up all night. I agree with EVERY thing you said. The onky thing I don't want to get into his the 1 min thing. It'll be 1 min for one person. The next, 2,3 - maybe 5. Perhaps someone else 10 minutes. It can snowball out of hand. I am actually a flexible guy. You can ask anyone who has come to know me over the years. But I'd rather you stick around and see that for your self. With that said, Edm layed out scenarios which, to me, reflect some fluidity and not necessarily a rigid mindset, to the letter of the rule. I know some question the freeze times and clock times, but they are placed for several reasons many of which from years of fantasy interaction. Sadly, some choose Mtl's path which sucks. But again, this is an extra-ordinary league, set apart from the run of the mill. Some here don't even know that this is a LIFETIME fantrax league that I payed for out of pocket.. I wasn't going to share that because I didn't want people staying here for the wrong reasons or to seek any glory. I am only sharing now because of this conversation and to show how SERIOUS I am about this league's LONGEVITY. I want quality GMs who are DEDICATED, KNOWLEDGEABLE and ACTIVE as I told each and every one before entry.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:39:00 GMT -5
damn thanks HP for coming out of pocket like that
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Post by Ian (Pit) on Jul 9, 2013 12:42:53 GMT -5
the clock does not run from 12-8 i am not sure why you keep posting that it does but it doesn't the clock freezes after the first pick made after midnight There is a freeze from 12a - 8a. If a GM is online at 12 am and wants to pick, he can, but does not HAVE to. If he does, when he finishes, his end tine has no bearing on the next GM b/c of the freeze. If the next GM sneaks online after the orevious GM picks and it is an odd hour, they can pickif they choose or simply wait to go OTC at 8am.
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Post by Shaun (VAN) on Jul 9, 2013 12:42:54 GMT -5
This draft is also 5 rounds longer, since we can't change rules mid-stream we can look into all this after the draft and see if we can find another way that maybe works better for all subsequent drafts.
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Post by Ian (Pit) on Jul 9, 2013 12:49:06 GMT -5
damn thanks HP for coming out of pocket like that You're welcome. I may be a dreamer, but I believe in our GMs and think we have something special with staying power. God forbid, but if something were to happen to me, I'd pass my Fantrax info over to another so the league would continue. I started this league with high standards b/c I got sick and tired of seeing leagues crumble. This does not mean there will not be turnover. People leave for different reasons - Mtl, Wpg - life circumstances, etc. I will not force anyone out or in.
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Post by Chris (DET) on Jul 9, 2013 12:49:13 GMT -5
Umm ya... What did I miss?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:50:46 GMT -5
Umm ya... What did I miss? MTL quit the league because he got bumped his pick went on the clock at 11:45 pm last night
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:51:25 GMT -5
im saying that the clock should not run in those hours in GENERAL. even if the pick is at 9pm the clock should go from 9-12.... then pick up at 8 and run until 9.(4hours) Thats how ive done in previous leagues, no one missed picks and no one was ever bumped. I know for myself i spent the last 2 summers working on a golf course. i woke up at 5am everyday, so more often then not i was asleep by 10pm on a week day i would have missed this pick as well, but if the clock picked up at 8 then i could make my pick in the morning and no one would be affected. I might be the only one who sees it this way but it does not make sense to me to have MTLs clock go from 11:45pm to 3:45am forcing him to be up in the middle of the night to pick when the clock for the next team is not even going to start unitl 8am and then next GM is more then likely sleeping as well.
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