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Post by Ian (Pit) on Jul 6, 2013 8:18:47 GMT -5
You can comment or talk about the draft here. We'll try to not muck up the chat box today. Have fun. Will check in when I can.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2013 12:20:12 GMT -5
looks like my pick at 7 created a little bit of a stir
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 8:52:16 GMT -5
no one is happy to see a GM bumped nor are they happy when one decides to leave
however the rules have been followed by others up until this point and to change them midstream is not fair to those who have been following them
i was asleep last night when NYR made his pick but i had my alarm set for midnight
i just happened to wake up prior to that see a pick was made and made mine but i knew full well that my pick might occur before midnight and i took the steps to ensure i could make it and then went right back to sleep
to be honest if i wasnt asleep i would likely have held my pick until after midnight (i did it the night prior) but i just wanted to get my pick over with and get back to sleep
keep in mind that the night prior i held my pick until after midnight so that MTL wouldnt go on the clock before midnight so this isnt something done out of spite
it is a matter of the rules applying to everyone
NYR was bumped twice for an emergency
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Post by David (NJD) on Jul 9, 2013 9:07:03 GMT -5
It's not a big deal. I was just saying but he quit so it dont matter. If he is quitting over a 5th rounder then so be it. Half these guys are 3-4 yrs away from the NHL anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 9:10:09 GMT -5
more than half of them will never even make the NHL
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Post by Trevor (Buf) on Jul 9, 2013 9:52:11 GMT -5
no one is happy to see a GM bumped nor are they happy when one decides to leave however the rules have been followed by others up until this point and to change them midstream is not fair to those who have been following them i was asleep last night when NYR made his pick but i had my alarm set for midnight i just happened to wake up prior to that see a pick was made and made mine but i knew full well that my pick might occur before midnight and i took the steps to ensure i could make it and then went right back to sleep to be honest if i wasnt asleep i would likely have held my pick until after midnight (i did it the night prior) but i just wanted to get my pick over with and get back to sleep keep in mind that the night prior i held my pick until after midnight so that MTL wouldnt go on the clock before midnight so this isnt something done out of spite it is a matter of the rules applying to everyone NYR was bumped twice for an emergency I'm not going to complain, as so far I haven't been too affected by the drafting times when I come up in the draft....but please keep in mind that some people have circumstances that put drafting on time out of their control sometimes. I can almost guarantee that I will be bumped later on the draft. All picks happen during EDT hour of 8am to midnight, right? That's my 8pm to 12 noon during work, as a live near Hong Kong. I was in another draft a while back where the league went through 20-something picks and got back around to me after I had gone to sleep (late) and before I had woken up to go to work. In that league, we had more time to pick if we wanted to use it, but you get the idea. Just please keep in mind that sometimes making a list or setting alarms doesn't work well in a few cases. That being said, I'm going to make my pick and go to bed, as it's almost midnight I think in Asia.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 10:01:53 GMT -5
of course there are circumstances that are beyond peoples control we saw this with NYR
but at the same time the rules are the rules and we all are under the same rules and if we start picking and choosing who we are going to change them for and who we aren't it becomes very unfair
i get that we all have things to do and these times don't work for all of us but that is the case for every single one of us
look at the number of picks made by myself PIT and NSH for other GMs that is because they had instances where they weren't going to be available and took steps to make sure their picks were made for them
please don't confuse enforcing the rules with a lack of sympathy for the situation
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 11:02:09 GMT -5
I must say though IMO... Its July do we really need to run the clock from 12-8am. If he wants to leave over a 5th round pick then leave, thats his decision but what if that was his 1st round pick and he was burned for a late clock like that.... in July that would really suck. maybe next year we should look at how we run the clock for the prospect draft because truthfully people do work and people need sleep. Fantasy hockey is hobby not a job and while we all love it and have a great time with it, i dont think we need to be so drastic with the rules especially when it comes to drafting players 2 months away from pre season. missing a clock in the middle of the day is one thing, but getting burned late at night like that theres really no need because even if he did pick, the clock would start for the next person to draft until 8:00am anyway. Its not like someone is waiting at 4 in the morning to pick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 11:09:09 GMT -5
there is something to be said for perhaps looking at changing the length of the clock in the future but this clock was known for quite some time now in postings and in PMs and everyone knew what the rules were going to be
enforcing the rules isn't being drastic it is enforcing the rules
and actually if you look back through the draft threads you will find that there were a few instances of GMs drafting during the clock freeze remember not everyone is on the same time so what is late in one place might not be the same somewhere else
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 11:14:33 GMT -5
A league should never ever lose an owner over the draft setup. EVER. This turnover stuff is very disappointing to me. It seems to be a constant practice.
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Post by David (NJD) on Jul 9, 2013 11:40:37 GMT -5
I believe the clock was frozen in the first round? Maybe im wrong. But yeah the reason for non stop drafting is bc alot of gms will be going on vacation so we want to fit the draft in while most are around.
Not happy about a new gm comig in either as that means another team being blown up. Liked his team and where he was headed. Bu it is what it is.
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Post by Ian (Pit) on Jul 9, 2013 11:48:27 GMT -5
We've never lost a GM in this way before, so it is very disappointing to me, especially after reading what Edm and others have sacrificed. To see 1 GM not do the same and try to put himself above others is ridiculous to me. Furthermore, for a GM to do this over a 5th rd pick says a lot. It obviously wouldn't have taken much else for a departure in yhe future had it not been now. There was zzero courtesy and respect shown to every GM in this league with that move. The previous Wpg owner could have done this but thought better of us and resigned ahead of time. All in all, a PM to me to see if there could have been a possible resolution, or for that matter, a PM resignation would have been the classy thing to do.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 11:48:55 GMT -5
there is something to be said for perhaps looking at changing the length of the clock in the future but this clock was known for quite some time now in postings and in PMs and everyone knew what the rules were going to be enforcing the rules isn't being drastic it is enforcing the rules and actually if you look back through the draft threads you will find that there were a few instances of GMs drafting during the clock freeze remember not everyone is on the same time so what is late in one place might not be the same somewhere else Sure people may draft during the clock freeze and obviously thats fine, it speeds along the process, but Shake is right we should loose people over a draft setup. I know im fairly new to this league and i do enjoy it so i dont want to start an argument but i dont see a point in running the clock from 12-8am in july when there is absolutely no need for a rush. The bottom line here is that Montreal is leaving because he rightfully wasnt available to draft between 11:45pm and 3:45am on a monday night/tuesday morning. Its unfortunate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 11:55:46 GMT -5
the first clock freeze occurred after DET drafted in the 32nd spot this occurred after NYRs first bump. DET PMed me and asked if he was eligible to pick at 11:59 and i told him he was but it would be better if he made the pick post midnight to freeze the clock rather than put someone on at 1 min prior to midnight and he did so. OTT, MTL, NSH and DET all made picks while the clock was frozen.
the second clock freeze occurred after EDM drafted in the 57th spot. i planned on being up past midnight so i waited to see if MTL showed up before midnight or not and when he didn't i held the pick until after midnight to freeze the clock. MTL made his 2 picks before the clock was unfrozen but one of them needed to be remade and was after the clock was restarted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2013 12:05:12 GMT -5
I believe the clock was frozen in the first round? Maybe im wrong. But yeah the reason for non stop drafting is bc alot of gms will be going on vacation so we want to fit the draft in while most are around. Not happy about a new gm comig in either as that means another team being blown up. Liked his team and where he was headed. Bu it is what it is. Well I think the owner is being blamed wrongly. I think part of could be..COULD be the owner at fault ( I don't think so, but just my opinion) I think depending upon time of day the draft is setup to fail you, or you fail the draft depending upon time of day. The draft should always be setup for all teams and owners to not fail. So IMO the blame is being put in the wrong area ( the owner). The draft should be fun and enjoyed by all. Kudos to Edmonton and others who maybe set an alarm and got up to pick etc etc, but no one really truly enjoys that. I do think its important to achieve a draft pace and all that, but not at the expense of owner loss. This does nothing good for the future of the league ( any league). I do not know the time he was supposed to pick or whatever so forgive my ignorance on that part but as I respect everyone and always try to have the best possible league etiquette in any league I'm in but I certainly would not wake up 3:15am to make a draft pick. Getting out of bed would wake up my wife and possible wake up my kid as I creep through the house to my office where my computer is. Obviously it typically does not im always online late at night, but im just saying in general, maybe we're expecting a tad bit to much here from owners? This time it is a draft setup issue someone quits, last time it was over being not being active or something to that effect. What's next? I am not being a jerk here, but man- protecting league owners is always and should always be #1. The owners are what make a great league. Gotta take care of them, not shove them off to the curb or make them feel they gotta go. Again, some of this is just general speaking and not accusatory in anyway directly. In short, the turnover has to stop. I've only been here for a short time and I think this is already the 3rd team to turn? It's tooooo much.
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