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Post by Steve (Mtl) on Aug 18, 2011 17:25:09 GMT -5
the problem is nw its way too late to change it. we had a talk about prospects and to be honest its simple just having it 41 games played. prospects can be defined as far out players or guys right on the door step. thats the luck of the draw. This is the crux of it. We all had the chance to deal with it before the draft, and noone said anything (except me I believe, if you look back... I agree that they shouldn't be prospects, but then I accepted that those were the rules...) What if I wanted to pick a certain goalie and I couldn't because he was considered a prospect? Should we start the whole draft over? Of course not, it's too late to change it. So let's all be friends and move along with the rules the way we've allowed them to remain.
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Post by instantrockstar on Aug 18, 2011 17:26:06 GMT -5
well then count me out of this league. I am not going to let guys that have played 41 games, which is a lot considering some teams play once-twice a week, to be set as being prospects. I find it highly unrealistic, and I don't care if this is a league and not real life. Prospects are meant to be young talented guys that have not played a lot in the NHL, not that have played almost half a season!
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Post by David (NJD) on Aug 18, 2011 17:28:32 GMT -5
why is everyone saying prospects are meant to be prospects with 15 players and 20 on the prospect team then its good to have a few that are nhl ready! they replace your vets after this season.
not sure whats the big issue.
so you all saw this before hand and now we lose 2 gms in 5 mins.
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Post by instantrockstar on Aug 18, 2011 17:30:41 GMT -5
I didn't even know this topic was being discussed. If I knew it was, then I would of spoke up a lot sooner about the matter. 41 and under, is too much, plain and simple. I could show you about half to three quarters of back up goalies not playing 41 and under, and a lot of good solid young guys in the NHL too. We need to lower the number to a reasonable amount.
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Post by andypipkin on Aug 18, 2011 17:32:08 GMT -5
Especially because it really only effects one starter who might not even be a starter. All the others are back ups who could easily be replaced on their respective teams.
This also allows you to keep them on your team for much longer then having to promote them and lose a roster player.
We had all the rules set in motion before we began drafting and I'm sorry I don't understand how some people can't grasp the concept that chaning the rules after we've begun is like changing the candidates on a ballot after half the people have voted. It renders it null and void and then what is the point of restarting the draft, we already know most of the secret big guys now....
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Post by David (NJD) on Aug 18, 2011 17:32:13 GMT -5
goalies whats the big deal. we have one goalie with 1 min start a season.
really???
anyway i cant deal with this now. so you guys figure out who is staying and who is leaving and lets make a hold on the draft and replace people who are freaking out about a small little rule. so you get to hold good players for this season. move on and be happy with the prospect draft to get hidden gems.
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Post by chr17 on Aug 18, 2011 17:33:26 GMT -5
i am not to worried about the forward/defense mark at 41 although a little bit lower wouldnt hurt. But the real issue for me is the goalie mark at 41 games, thats just too high for goalies... there are some guy like i have said before that are much more than prospects and lowering the mark would solve the issue. We are not that deep in the draft that it would change anything, if anyone were to pick one of those guys it would have been ridiculous and no one act like you were thinkin bout it.... no trollin. I am not trying to create any chaos but the sooner we figure this out the better, i just thought it had sliped by and everyone would want to resove it, didnt expect this much resistence...
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Post by instantrockstar on Aug 18, 2011 17:34:08 GMT -5
lol whatever ill stay. Its just stupid. I don't see the point in having so many games. And it wouldn't affect s*** because none of the guys picked, have played 41 games or less, so it doesn't even matter if we did change it. But whatever ill stop arguing, just not impressed at all right now.
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Post by chr17 on Aug 18, 2011 17:38:09 GMT -5
Im in this league for the long run no matter what, just think that if we are gonna change something, better to do it sooner rather than later. Anyways, if the majority of you think we should leave it i understand, i just wanna do what ever is best for the league..
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Post by andypipkin on Aug 18, 2011 17:41:50 GMT -5
^ Guys don't think we don't understand because we do and we want to make everyone happy and keep all of you guys.
Its just too unfair to change after this much time and when the rules have been posted almost since day 1.
When it comes to back ups with under 41 games we all know that means they could easily and a lot of times are sent back to the AHL where because of age and games played they are still considered prospects.
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Post by chr17 on Aug 18, 2011 17:44:51 GMT -5
the guys we are talking about are never going back to the minors... they will be impact goalies for a longgggg time
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Post by Steve (Mtl) on Aug 18, 2011 17:46:10 GMT -5
well then count me out of this league. I am not going to let guys that have played 41 games, which is a lot considering some teams play once-twice a week, to be set as being prospects. I find it highly unrealistic, and I don't care if this is a league and not real life. Prospects are meant to be young talented guys that have not played a lot in the NHL, not that have played almost half a season! Dude you're gonna quit because you don't like one rule? C'mon man, I really wanted a 12/5 split on skater/goalie categories, and I think that's a big deal. But popular vote said 8/4 so I went with it. As long as we know the rules beforehand then we should have nothing to complain about. If we didn't know the rules, it's because we didn't read them... Oh well! No use quitting over one rule right?
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Post by instantrockstar on Aug 18, 2011 17:47:16 GMT -5
If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 45 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club.
I was looking at this, and this makes sense for guys 24 or older. So basically anyone over 24, cannot be considered a prospect. Plain&Simple.
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Post by Steve (Mtl) on Aug 18, 2011 17:51:52 GMT -5
If a prospect is a skater (forward, defenseman) and has played in 45 NHL games or more before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday; or, if a goaltender has played in 45 NHL games before the completion of the season of his 24th birthday, that player will be considered graduated to the NHL. Conversely, if a player completes the season of his 24th birthday without passing those milestones, then that player will no longer be considered a prospect by Hockey’s Future, regardless of the player’s status with his NHL club. I was looking at this, and this makes sense for guys 24 or older. So basically anyone over 24, cannot be considered a prospect. Plain&Simple. I don't think anyone's saying your argument is wrong... actually it makes a lot of sense... if it had been brought up before the draft I would've agreed with you. But now we've started, and maybe, just maybe, some of the picks would've been different under a different set of rules... It's just too late to change draft rules in my opinion...
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Post by instantrockstar on Aug 18, 2011 17:55:10 GMT -5
How though, NONE of the guys picked were 41 and under, so if we lower it to like...idk, 25+ or under, it won't mean a thing, it just gives us a wider variety to choose from, for NHL ready guys. Plus, if they are 24 or younger, they are supposed to be considered prospects automatically unless they have played more then 45 games, such as Hall, Duchene, etc.
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